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31st July 2014

Question

dragonsupremacy said: Are you anti-capitalist?

I’d say it’s more that I’m pro-socialist. Capitalism is a necessary evil, when not taken to an extreme.

31st July 2014

Quote reblogged from could the world be about to turn? with 31 notes

But there is no perfect guide for discerning God’s movement in the world, Contrary to what many conservatives say, the Bible is not a blueprint on this matter. It is a valuable symbol for point to God’s revelation in Jesus, but it is not self-interpreting. We are thus place in an existential situation of freedom in which the burden is on us to make decisions without a guaranteed ethical guide.
— James Cone // A Black Theology of Liberation (via anachronizomai)

Source: godinthebrokenness

30th July 2014

Link reblogged from Antodav with 9 notes

Why Most Atheists Believe in Pink Unicorns | Pensées →

antodav:

This kind of philosophy is way over my head, regrettably, but it’s still deeply amusing to read. XD

Definitely worth reading

30th July 2014

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"The Bible was written by humans, and humans are corrupt"

Both are true, and neither implies that the teachings or history of the Bible are false. Nor are they the reason why the speaker believes the teachings of the Bible are false. How do I know that? …Because this same person will never make the argument that evolution is false, or medical science is false, or that mathematics can’t be trusted because they are ideas created by corrupt humans. 

Tagged: religionlogicbiblechristianity

18th July 2014

Link reblogged from The Iranian Atheist with 42 notes

You can do anything and it will be forgiven, except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit →

iranianatheist:

liberalchristian:

iranianatheist:

liberalchristian:

iranianatheist:

iranianatheist:

1) I was not arguing against the existence of Jesus. I am sure he did exist as a man wandering around in the Middle East.

Ok. It sounded like comments I’ve heard from those who do argue against it. My apologies.

2) I support Christians and Muslims who are progressive and believe in a way that does not come off as judgmental

I didn’t say you didn’t support anyone. I said your comments were rude. You may believe that I am judgmental all you wish.

3) It’s not that I am concerned about a God which I do not believe in, judging me or “not forgiving my sins”, it’s the implications of that belief system that drives people to extreme forms of bigotry, not only in Christianity but Islam as well. Not to mention the Jewish belief of being “God’s chosen people”. 

I don’t agree that is the inevitable outcome of either belief, when they are interpreted correctly. All I offered was biblical interpretation on that one verse, and some comments about forgiveness. I didn’t accuse you of caring about or believing in God, I asked a question related to the concept of forgiveness. 

4) You are right, you are free to believe what you want, and I am free to criticize it if I don’t agree with it, that doesn’t mean I “care if God would forgive me or not”, I am not sure how it gets twisted to that. My only understanding would be that you probably don’t understand what it means to be an atheist. Just because I am an atheist it doesn’t mean I need to just forget about the harm that religion is doing because I don’t believe in God. I will actively speak up against the bigotry and hate that religion creates. That is called fighting for equality, human rights, and challenging archaic beliefs, it doesn’t translate to me “caring what God thinks”. God, to me, is nothing more than the product of a weak human desire which tells the mind that there needs to be more to life than just this. 

I did not say you cared. If you’ll recall, I suggested it would make no sense for you to care. And… kinda was an atheist for the majority of the time I’ve been alive. Pretty sure I understand it, even if we seem to be having difficulty communicating.

And I never claimed you shouldn’t criticize religion. Stop twisting my words, and please stop fighting battles with other people. This is why I said you don’t seem to be looking for a rational discussion, but a fight with things I haven’t said.

18th July 2014

Link reblogged from The Iranian Atheist with 42 notes

You can do anything and it will be forgiven, except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit →

iranianatheist:

liberalchristian:

iranianatheist:

iranianatheist:

So you ask me a question then say you decline to answer because it appears to you that I am not interested in a rational discussion.

I certainly appreciate that you’ve changed your tone, but why would I answer my own questions?

Okay, by the sounds of your previous message it appeared that you stand by the Biblical idea that denying God’s existence is the worst possible sin, it cannot be forgiven, while other acts such as rape and murder can. If I am wrong about that, then I apologize. But it appeared like that is what you said.

If you wanted clarity and a discussion, there are far better ways of getting them than calling the bible ‘a book of fairy tales’(regardless of whether you believe it is or not, that’s rude to say of someone else’s beliefs when speaking to them) and claiming my mind had been seriously harmed by religion. 

As for the clarity, I’m not sure ‘worst possible sin’ is the correct way to view it. It’s the unforgivable sin in the sense that you can’t be forgiven unless you believe in the concept of forgiveness by God… but that should be obvious. Murder and rape can be forgiven to the extent that you believe in God and genuinely(and that’s key) understand your crime and want His forgiveness. If an atheist is also a murderer, no, they can’t be forgiven for that. If a Christian is an unrepentant murderer, they can’t be forgiven for that either. Forgiveness simply doesn’t apply until you believe it’s POSSIBLE to be forgiven, and want it.

The reason I care is because mentalities such as that create hatred and division. When people condemn others simply for their lack of belief, no matter what the reason may be, no matter how much good that person may do, that leads to prejudice. I have had Christians call me a hopeless loser, I have Christians tell me if I don’t believe in God then I should just commit suicide, I have had Christians try to consul me and pray for my happiness, ignoring the fact that I am happy because I don’t believe in God. I have had Christians call me absurd names because I am an atheist. To them it doesn’t matter what I do, my actions are useless, to them I am an idiot because I will never be saved, because I have committed the greatest crime ever by not believing in God, all because it says so in the bible. That’s why I care, because I am sick of the hatred and bigotry, and I am even more sick of it when it starts to impact public policy. It’s not because I care about what a group of men in the 1st and 2nd century CE decided to make up some fairy tales and superstitions, attribute them to a man named Jesus, and passed it on to control people.

I am sorry that Christians have said such things to you. It troubles me as well when atheists call me names or demand that I abandon faith despite the fact that it makes me happy and requires nothing from them. I’ve heard all the same things from atheists, about believers. Either way, it is divisive and leads to paranoia and egocentric thinking(“Those” people can’t be trusted). However, I asked why you cared if God would forgive you or not, which would seem a moot point if He doesn’t exist. Mean people will continue to exist in every faith and non-faith.

Sins cannot be forgiven unless the one seeking forgiveness believes in God and wants forgiveness. From a Christian(myself included) perspective, that means that your sins are not forgiven, as an atheist. That’s not a judgment against you as a moral person, nor a determination of what happens after you die- it’s not my call to make. It’s a reflection of two assumptions of Christianity: All people are sinners. Only God can forgive sin. Now, I understand why that characterization might be viewed harshly, and it is unfortunate when it’s used as an attack against non-believers, but you’re not under any obligation to believe in anything anyone else says, just as I am not required to believe that karma or reincarnation will have any effect on my life(or afterlife).

However, historical evidence strongly suggests that Jesus was a real person. That’s not a question of belief any more than scientific theories are. Argue against the evidence if you want, but it really has nothing to do with religion or Christianity.

18th July 2014

Link reblogged from The Iranian Atheist with 42 notes

You can do anything and it will be forgiven, except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit →

iranianatheist:

iranianatheist:

I guess you can do whatever you want, rape, murder, and destroy nations on earth, but don’t you dare say anything bad about the Holy Spirit, now that’s bad!

As Jesus says in Matthew 31-32 “And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy…

And you consider yourself a “Liberal” Christian?

You actually said being a life-long atheist is a serious offense, meanwhile, other sins such as rape and murder are forgiven if one has belief in God and the Holy Spirit!

Just because a book of fairy tales told you!

Please read it for yourself people, and tell me religion does not damage the mind to cause serious harm!

I’m curious to know your own definition of “liberal”, since you’ve decided I’m not based on the interpretation I applied to one biblical passage.

And no, that is not what I said. What I said was that the meaning of that passage(according to the commentary I found) is that belief is a prerequisite for God’s forgiveness. If you’re an atheist, why do you care if God forgives you for sin or not?

Based on your response, however, it seems clear you’re not interested in a rational discussion of anything related to religion. Thus, I will decline further comment, and wish you a good day.

18th July 2014

Post reblogged from The Iranian Atheist with 42 notes

You can do anything and it will be forgiven, except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit

iranianatheist:

I guess you can do whatever you want, rape, murder, and destroy nations on earth, but don’t you dare say anything bad about the Holy Spirit, now that’s bad!

As Jesus says in Matthew 31-32 “And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.”

This is an interesting passage, and there’s a lot of question about what it means, so I decided to look it up myself. There’s two different(related) types of blasphemy one could commit against the Holy Spirit: To deny the existence of it(atheism) is one. Or, one could attribute false action as being caused by the Holy Spirit(“the Holy Spirit made me sin”) or deny a true action from the Holy Spirit to another being(Satan, other gods, etc.)

In that regard, it makes sense that this is a serious offense. However, in all cases the nature of the heart is known by God. If someone denies His existence one day and repents of it the next(and I would use myself as an example, not a random atheist), they would be forgiven, so long as they were sincere. Disbelief in the Holy Spirit is a sin, but not an unforgivable one in the sense that a person can never believe again later.

The forgiveness of other sins mentioned(rape, murder, etc) is conditional on one’s belief in God and the Holy Spirit, and the message spoken through the gospels. Taken out of the negative, that’s all this passage means.

17th July 2014

Post reblogged from Lit by the fires of the numinous with 19 notes

entanglingbriars:

liberalchristian:

dasbaron35:

If your reason for saying that something like homophobia is wrong is because “God loves everyone”, or some other similarly religious reason, then I distrust your motives. It makes me wonder whether you’d have a problem with said bigotry if your God didn’t say it was wrong.

It’s awful, I guess, when people agree with you, but not for the reasons you want them to agree with you. It makes me wonder if you really believe in freedom of religion.

There’s a difference between believing in freedom of religion and being willing to trust cishet Christians not to suddenly turn on you when you least expect it.

I agree, those are two completely different thoughts.

However, the contention of the OP was that being against- actually, let’s say ‘pro-homosexual’ for religious reasons is suspect because the morality comes from God rather than some other source that a person might change their minds about. My question is, why is ‘having a religious belief’ somehow less trustworthy than ‘having a political/moral belief?’ They’re both beliefs. 

Also, according to the OP, either: 1. God exists, has said homophobia is wrong, and the fictional religious person believes in both. Since the first two premises cannot be changed(according to the definition of ‘God’ and ‘God’s will’), the only thing that should change a fictional religious person’s mind about homophobia is if they lose their religion. In which case, how could such belief be suspect?

OR, 2. The OP doubts God’s existence, and believes that the fictional religious person is using a convenient excuse to cover up their deep, dark, desire to be a decent human being. Scandalous!

Regardless, I find it amusing.

Source: dasbaron35

17th July 2014

Link reblogged from Delve deeper than the surface with 3 notes

Article: I'm a Feminist Because I Love Jesus So Much →

letsgetdeep:

Interview: “I’m a Feminist Because I Love Jesus So Much”